Re: Apple II on ebay. Real or fake?

["1capybara@gmail.com" <1capybara@gmail.com>]

On Feb 1, 6:27 am, "jsnos...@cimmeri.com" <j...@cimmeri.com> wrote:
> "Michael J. Mahon" <mjma...@aol.com> wrote: "Exactly--the Apple ][ was
> sold simultaneously with the ][+ well into 1981."
>
> spacealbum wrote: "...Apple II for sale aside the IIplus! He has
>
> obviously been around for sale longer than I had expected."
>
> So what can we conclude from this evidence?   Perhaps Apple stopped
> manufacturing II's back in summer of 79', but had many left over which
> they continued to sell into 1981?  I suppose that's possible as the II
> + would have been the machine of choice for most people (as it was for
> me) after its introduction.   Or perhaps other evidence is wrong..
> that they were manufactured into 1981... the difference ONLY being the
> ROMs and case lid emblem.
>
> Yet, still, questions remain:
>
> 1. Is the serial # for ALL II's "A2S1-xxxxxxx"?  Or just those prior
> to AII+?    Also, does label color mean anything?
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lets stop here. A2S1 with black and white label is A][. A2S2 with
green label is 2+
90% of the this group  agrees to this. <<<i hesistate to say
"everyone....">>>
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> 2.  Obviously, we can't rely on motherboard revision now, thus memory
> jumps, edgecard connector types, ram types.

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this does not logically follow. all these are valid physical evidence.
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> 3.  Likely can't rely on game I/O socket color either.
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why not?. this too is valid physical evidence.
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> 4.  Obviously CAN rely on ROMs.
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 since it was so common to "upgrade" an A][ to applesoft,
is it not still an A][ ???
perhaps the correct description would be  "A][ with applesoft ram."
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>
> 5.  What about keyboard?   If all II's were manufactured early, then
> keyboards would have retained that early tall power light.. but if
> made into 81, II's and II+'s both would have had the flat power light.
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again, most of the internet and most to this group will agree
A][ = tall power light, A2+ = flat power light.
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> The logical conclusion to all this that the definition of a true II
> is:
> - case lid reads Apple II
> - has Integer ROM set.
> - question remains re serial #.
>
> ~ J
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however, altho your conclusions are valid, what would u make out of
this:
someone has an A][. the motherboard and keyboard fail. they drop in a
motherboard and keyboard from an A2+.
it has applesoft ROM. a white game I/O socket, a flat power light,
etc.
how do we describe this machine?
"A][ rebuilt with A2+ parts" ???