Re: getting DOS onto a //c+

[Stephen Shaw <bottrawler@junkbuster.zzn.com>]

On 30 Jun 2002 09:02:10 GMT, Supertimer wrote:

> noone@nowhere.net wrote:
>
>>> Will the DOS33dmp utility work?
>>
>>Yes, so long as you have a 5.25" drive.  Probably the easiest way would
>>be to ask someone to ship you a couple disks to get started.
>>
>>I would recommend that you acquire a 5.25" drive for your IIc+ to make
>>sure you get the maximum value from it. There are many fine software
>>(read games) out there for the Apple II that are tied to their 5.25"
>>diskettes.
>
> I was an Apple II fanatic for many years, still am in a way.  One thing
> that always got me was how a sizable part of the Apple II community
> refused to advance beyond a certain point.  Granted, Apple ultimately
> killed the II but user perception had a lot to do with it.
>
> The best software titles were NOT DOS 3.3 stuff on 5.25" disks. That
> is akin to saying DOS 5.0 software were the best software for the
> PC ever.  When I was an active Apple II user, I ditched DOS 3.3 as
> soon as ProDOS came out because it was SO MUCH better.  As
> far as I am concerned, the best 8-bit software came out after ProDOS.
> DOS 3.3 5.25" stuff was limited mainly to using the lower 48k of
> memory.  80 column capability, 128k to 1MB support, all the stuff
> that made an Apple IIc/IIe/IIc+ much more than simply an Apple II+
> was not tapped in DOS 3.3 programs.
>

If its not broken don't fix it - I carried on using DOS3.3 after ProDOS was
released, it was only after I got my first SCSI hard disk that the advantage of
having sub-directories moved me on to ProDOS.
 
> When GS/OS came out, I dumped 75% of my old ProDOS stuff
> because it was a much better OS.  The ones I kept were the more
> advanced ones like 8-bit AppleWorks, Publish-It!, and ProTERM.


>
> Once Apple devoted itself to the Macintosh completely, it was
> like the users did little to continue the momentum.  First, the
> IIGS was forgotten.  Ok, there were some die-hards and of all
> the post Apple II+ computers, the IIGS received the most user
> support and for years after Apple's discontinuation of the model,
> fine stuff came out for it but ultimately, the Apple II+ forces
> dominated.  Next to go were the IIc+, IIe, and IIc.  It was bad
> enough that people advocated running just ProDOS on a IIGS
> thereby negating the Ensoniq wavetable sound chip and 3200
> color graphics, now IIe and IIc users and even IIc+ users were
> being told to run DOS 3.3!
>
> So in the end what have we come to?  Emulator users and the
> all mighty Apple II+.
>
> Makes me a little sad.  I remember when the IIe Professional
> system came out triumphantly after the failure of the III and
> Lisa.  Apple was forced to put 128k and 80 columns into the
> IIe and eat its words that the II was not good enough for
> business.  The IIc+ and the IIGS were beautiful machines.
> We should not reduce their memory to the Apple II+ which
> was where Apple wanted the Apple II story to end.

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