Re: Godel Goofed? Nope.

[Roy and/or Janet Miller <millers@inetnebr.com>]

olcott wrote:

> Roy and/or Janet Miller wrote:
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> > olcott wrote:
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> > > Roy and/or Janet Miller wrote:
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> > Thank you for displaying your ignorance. The English word inspiration has both
> > definition and connotation. The Greek however, is more precise. Every Scripture
> > is breathed out (exhaled) by God; THAT is radically different from the idea that
>
>  ex�pi�ra�tion    n.1.
> 2. the act of expiring, or breathing out; emission of air from the lungs.
>
>  in�spire    v., -spired, -spir�ing
>  10. to take (air, gases, etc.) into the lungs in breathing; inhale.
>
> Actually you err here, that would be expiration.
> Inspiration is breathed IN...

You are right, about the English. The Greek however, has neither an "ek" nor an "eis"
it is theopneustos "Godbreathed". Now, let's see if you can reason. When you speak, do
you INhale, or EXhale while pronouncing a word? In Indo-European languages, words are
formed by the passage of air OUT of a persons lungs, through their throat, and the
sound is made by position of the tongue, teeth and lips. The text then, does not say
that God INspired the writer, but that God Expired the Scripture. ("Scripture" by the
way, is the translation of the word "graphe" which means writing, and from which we
get words like "graphics")

So then, I did not err.

Now, as I mentioned to Paul, if you wish to debate this further, do so with email or
posting to another newsgroup. A debate about piracy is appropriate in the apple II
newsgroup, but I don't think that biblical exegesis is.

Roy

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> >
> > a person has a feeling or a moving experience. I thought you were the guy who
> > believed in reasoning. Try doing some.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never
> > > > came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by
> > > > the Holy Spirit" 2 Peter 1:20-21, and "as also our beloved brother Paul,
> > > > according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all
> > > > his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things
> > > > hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own
> > > > destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures" 2 Peter 3:15-16,
> > > > and finally, the most common phrase in the Old Testament is some form of
> > > > "The word of YHWH" Therefore:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Do not call men liars before you accurately understand what they mean by
> > > > what they say, otherwise you are a liar when you brand them so;
> > > > 2. Do not put yourself so quickly in the category of the above quote
> > > > "untaught and unstable who twist to their own destruction"
> > > > 3. The historic Christian position has always been that the Scripture are
> > > > both the words of men, and completely the Word of God. Thus, one can find
> > >
> > > Yet scripture itself does not directly support this position.
> > > Historically, everyone "knows" that Eve gave Adam an Apple,
> > > yet scripture does not support this either.
> >
> > Babble. 1. Scripture does support that position. Any normal reading of the text
> > leads to that conclusion. Which is why, for 20 centuries, Christianity has held
>
> Yet "common knowledge" says otherwise...
> Try polling people at random, and find out
> how many apples that you get, compared to
> "fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good
> and Evil"...    Everyone "knows" that Eve
> gave Adam, and Apple... (look at the name
> of the human voicebox, for example, the
> Adam's Apple)....
>
> >
> > that position. As for Eve and Adam, she did give him the fruit, but the Bible
> > NEVER says it was an apple.
> >
> > Roy