Re: Apple II/e newbie - please help

[none@none.com (Starflight)]

Thanks again, Phoenyx and Jon, for the information.

The 80 column card does not have the extra RAM.  It hangs over the
ends of the slot by about 1/2" per end, and I do not see a bank of
chips.

>The file sites mentioned by Jeff can be quite useful too. Esp'
>for learning Applesoft. I have found the best way to learn it

These I have bookmarked and toured also.  After quite a bit of
searching, I was able to locate some of the files that was suggested
to me.  Now I am ready to order DOS, ProDos, and my hardware.

>is reading other's programs. Like you, I have problems with C,
>I can program in it but I can get lost with an experienced C
>programmer's code, especially when they use the short style and

That's better than I can do.  I get to the point of declaring
variables and from there on, I'm lost :)

>less structured code. I find I prefer the C systems on the II
>much more. I suppose I should get back to my Hyper C project but
>I have so many other things I want to do that I get sidetracked.

I know the feeling.  So many things - so little time...

>Basically, IN# and PR# are used to set the I/O hooks while in
>Applesoft. For Dos and Prodos, the command can be called in
>the program by printing a control code. In the case of Dos,

Okay, I think understand the fundamentals.  Maybe... :)

>This whole explanation itself may be confusing to a recent II
>convert. Basically, the Apple II uses two zero page addresses to

Not bad, really.  If you see someone walking down the street with
their eyes crossed and babbling unintelligently, it's probably me :)

>help out in many ways. We have to do most things the long and
>hard way. Much more fun. :-)

But you learn more this way, and you learn it better :)

>> So should I get a copy of both Dos 3.3 and ProDos?
>
>Absolutely! Dos 3.3 is usually better for early learners since
>it is generally easier to operate and it is tightly interfaced
>with Applesoft. Plus many of the older books you may find are
>based on Dos 3.3 systems.

Will do.  I think I'll hunt for a reference book or something, too, so
I can figure out what Applesoft is.

>For me, this has always been the way it was in the Apple II
>world. I am constantly learning something new. I also started
>by assembling PC's for myself. It began with using older
>hardware which was given to me by a friend in the tech
>department of a company that I knew. My first PC was a 6 mhz
>80286 IBM system which I built from cast off parts. :-) I gained

My first was a 486sx 25 MHz.  What got me started in building and
repairing them was that the system did not have a working floppy drive
or CD-ROM drive.  I made a trip to the local library and to the
nearest used book store in search of information on how to fix these.
Since then, there's been no stopping me when it comes to learning
things about computers.  My husband says I am a perpetual student...
I always have my nose in a computer book of some kind and a system
torn apart on the kitchen table.  Matter of fact, the first thing I
did when I brought my Apple home was take off the cover and start
digging around inside :)

By the way, the system I have does not seem to match up with
Rubywand's description.  The cover has a label stating Apple //e, but
the chip inside is an R6502.  It does not say 65C02.  Any ideas on
this?

>There are many interesting things to learn. Many of which are
>on the net. I don't have the url for the X-10 info, but here's
>an interesting site on the robot info.
>
>http://rich12345.tripod.com/

Thanks!  I'm heading there right now.
>
>Enjoy!