Re: Apple 2 Where/How much

[hkram@earth.execpc.com (Mark Hasslinger)]

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Supertimer (supertimer@aol.com) wrote:
: labelas@hotmail.com (Labelas Enoreth) wrote:

: ><sigh>
: >Ah well, I tried... 
: >
: >Supertimer, you have a personal established value for setups that you can
: >conceive, whether in concept or ones that you've assembled yourself.
: >Whether other people will pay that much or agree with that value is up to
: >their own preferences. Someone could very well say 'geez, I don't need all
: >that for the IIgs, do you just want to sell it without most of that?'.

: That's fine.  I can just sell the IIGS core cheap and sell the
: peripherals for more.

: Despite what Mitch has been saying, I'm not piling up peripherals
: to inflate the price of the IIGS.  I'm just answering ONE statement.
: Mitch said he could think of NO IIGS SETUP worth $300+.  I
: provided an example.

: Look at it this way, assume I were out to sell my IIGS setup.  I
: sell it in pieces.  Ok, so if most people would pay more for the
: SVGA monitor or the laser printer than the IIGS, so what?  When
: after I sold all the peripherals plus the IIGS, how much would I
: get for my entire setup?  $300+.

: >Personally, as far as I've seen, modern setups like that are generally
: >assembled by someone who isn't really planning to sell it, or if they are
: >they already have a target in mind.

: Absolutely.  It would take a tsunami to separate me from my
: kick butt IIGS setup.  ;-)

: That still does not change the fact that it EXISTS.  That's all
: I was stating.

: >When I showed
: >resources to purchase a SCSI card and HD, a SuperDrive, an
: >accelerator...for my friend's IIgs that he's had since the beginning (and
: >they were quite reasonable), he just laughed, remarked something about
: >"polishing a turd" and informed me that _any_ money spent towards a
: >computer would be towards the eventual day when he got a 'real' computer.
: >(he's since gotten a <insert name of random pentium-based w98-running PC
: >here> and apparently chucked his IIgs, which saddens me [I would've taken
: >it] but hey, that's the way things happen...it's just...life. For a
: >'couple hundred dollars', someone can spend towards a 'much better
: >computer' in their opinion, why sink so much into a 'dying machine' that's
: >not much less than a conversation piece or toy to mess around with every
: >once in a while?

: Well ok, I have this camera called the Zenit 122k.  It is, believe
: it or not, a camera designed in the former Soviet Union.  It
: works, but has very little resale value.  The SLR body (equivalent
: to the CPU in a computer setup) is worth about $10.  However,
: I've added Pentax K-mount compatible autofocus lenses to this
: camera.  Now if your friend was a photo person, he would
: probably think I was a turd worth polishing.  I mean, why would
: someone mount a modern autofocus lens on an old camera body,
: right?

: The problem with looking at it this way: the lens, like the laser
: printer, is what makes the image.  The better the lens, the better
: the image.  I don't really care so much about the camera body
: as having a good lens to make a good image.

: But I'm stupid for sinking money to buy modern lenses for
: an old camera, right?  Wrong.  The reason is because the same
: lenses that work on my Zenit will also work on the newest
: Pentax models.  And you know what, in the future, I can
: upgrade the body to a Pentax and I'd have a fully modern
: computer setup.

: But is my Zenit SETUP, that is, the camera and the lenses,
: currently worth $10?  No.  It is worth much more.

: Is the Zenit itself worth $10?  Probably.

: Just like the Zenit body versus the Zenit setup, a IIGS itself
: can be worth little, but the IIGS SETUP can be worth a lot.
: And people are not stupid just because they have good IIGS
: setups because those peripherals can be used on other
: computers.

: AND JUST BECAUSE THOSE PERIPHERALS CAN BE
: USED ON OTHER COMPUTERS DOES NOT MEAN IT
: IS CURRENTLY NOT PART OF THE IIGS SETUP.

: >Just because _my_ concept of a good IIgs has a big HD, a nice fast
: >accelerator, 8Mb of RAM, the PCT with ColorSwitch, slots packed with tons
: >of useful cards...(maybe even a Second Sight with nice big monitor, who
: >knows? never even seen one, much less seen one in usage)
: >doesn't mean that everyone else with a IIgs would like to have the same
: >configuration, or spend the money to have such a setup. They may just want
: >to run AWGS 1.1 and maybe Arkanoid every once in a while.

: Despite what Mitch would lead you to believe, I agree.  I have
: no problem with someone just wanting a basic IIGS setup or
: run AWGS off a floppy drive.

: The debate is not what is the "proper" IIGS setup.  Everyone's
: idea is different.

: The debate is the definition of the word setup.  There are $300+
: IIGS SETUPS but of course no $300+ IIGS.

: And if you think "why the heck are we arguing about the definition
: of setup?"  It is because Mitch does not seem to know what it is
: and equates my statement that there are $300+ IIGS SETUPS to
: "Supertimer thinks a IIGS is worth $300."  I don't and I wish he'd
: stop making me out to be some kind of lunatic who wants to make the
: world think that the IIGS is worth such money.