Re: Apple 2 Where/How much

[supertimer@aol.com (Supertimer)]

spec@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector) wrote:

>In article supertimer@aol.com (Supertimer) writes...
>
>>I wouldnt say the 8088 was worth over $300, but I
>>would say this particular 8088 SETUP was worth
>>over $300.  You claimed you could think of no Apple II
>>SETUP that was worth more than $300 and then you
>>yourself provided one by listing your own peripherals
>>(superdrive+superdrive card+zipgs15/64).
>
>    Use common sense here, when I use the word "setup" I mean
>a typical bunch of add-ons an Apple IIgs might include. Since
>when are 17" monitors, laser printers, Gigabyte hardisks and
>V.90 modems typical things?

Joe Kohn has a laser printer.  I have a Second Sight SVGA
card and a gigabyte hard drive.  These things are not
uncommon as they seem.

Look Mitch, face it.  Setup means "computer plus
peripherals."  It is just common sense.

>    Still, for the sake of your arguement, let's replace the
>8088 with an almost equal worthless--in terms of monetary
>market value---386DX-25. Now you have something that is also

You don't get it.  You will find laser printers, SVGA,
and gigabyte hard drives on a IIGS because they
can be used better.  8088 is a bad argument.  286,
however, is a valid argument because you can actually
put those peripherals do good use with it.

So if you ask me: is a 286 worth $300-$1000?  I'd say
no.  If you ask me are some IIGS SETUPS worth
$300-$1000, I'd say YES.

>>But look, you are trying to drag me into an argument
>>again and I don't want to do that.  I'm just saying that
>>there ARE IIGS SETUPS that are worth more than
>>$300, contrary to what you said.
>
>    Sure, whatever. So your telling me an Apple IIgs is worth
>MORE than a state-of-the-art Celeron 300a system (easily over
>clockable to 450 MHz--pretty much the fastest PC available to
>the general public today) with 64 MB (100 MHz) SDRAM, installed
>in a mid tower ATX case.

Of course not.  Can't you read what I said?  I didn't
say AN APPLE IIGS with nothing on it was worth
$300-$1000.  You, however, claimed that there can't be
a IIGS SYSTEM worth that much and I corrected you.

System=computer+peripherals.

If I asked you to describe your Windows System,
are you just going to tell me your processor and
operating system?  No, right?  You don't think of just
your computer.  You think of your computer SYSTEM.

>    How on earth can you justify selling a 12 year old computer
>for the same amount or more? (bundling it with MODERN add-ons
>which probably less than 5% of Apple IIgs's worldwide have is
>not a valid arguement).

WHERE did I say "sell a barebones IIGS for $300?"

I said a IIGS SYSTEM!

>    How many times do I have to repeat it? A computer's monetary
>worth DOES NOT EQUAL its usefulness and value to a user. I think
>you just feel monetary worth is some rating system for computers.
>Dollars are not gold stars. I think most people understand this

Oh, I agree.  You are the one who started this.  All I said
was that there are some IIGS SYSTEMS that are worth
$300+ and I listed what such a system would look like
(SVGA monitor, SVGA card, gigabyte hard drive, laser
printer).  Like it are not, that's a IIGS SYSTEM.

I NEVER claimed you will find a bare bones IIGS ONLY
for $300-$1000.