Re: UNIX newbie question

[stuckey@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony J. Stuckey)]

joko@crl.com (Joe Kohn) writes:
>This recent discussion about unix and the internet and the world wide web
>has everything to do with the Apple II computer. At least in my case (and
>I'm not alone) it does, as I access the Internet from my Apple II. The
>net is simply an extension of my Apple II.

	I disagree.
	The fact that you can dial up using an Apple II and gather information
from the WWW does not mean that WWW is an appropriate topic for an apple2
discussion group.  It's called a one-way relationship.  They're far more
common in the world than most people care to acknowledge.

[rhetoric similar to that below deleted]
>There are people who never read a newspaper, never visit a museum, don't
>have a library card, and could care less about current events. Does that
>mean that the rest of us should cover our heads in the sand, as well?

	No.
	But it also doesn't mean that comp.sys.apple2 is an appropriate forum
for WWW discussions.
	Sargon allows apple II owners to play chess, but that doesn't mean
that updates on the Karpov-Kasparov matches would be welcome or appropriate
here.  Really, Joe, it's not that hard of a concept.

>It is my intention to continue to share my knowledge of the Internet with
>my fellow Apple II users. If that leads to me being joked about in IRC,
>that's just fine with me.
>It was suggested to have a RFD for a net-newbie group. That also misses
>the point. The vast majority of Apple II computer users are just
>that...users. They want to use the Internet from their Apple II
>computers, in order to share and partake in the total accumulated
>knowledge of all mankind.
>The major point is that we can use our Apple II computers to self-direct
>our on-going education via the world wide web. Remember...80% of all
>Apple IIGS's (according to Apple Computer Inc) were sold to educational
>institutions. And, many of the educators and students who use
>comp.sys.apple2 deserve to be able to learn more about the educational
>uses of their computers. And, accessing the World Wide Web from Apple II
>computers is the key. It is our responsibility to talk about it here, and
>to share our knowledge of it here, without fear of flames from the IRC
>crowd.
>Knowledge is to be shared. Those who stifle the free flow of information
>on a system designed for those very purposes are impeding progress, and
>pointing us backward rather than forward.

	I don't think there's any stifling going on at all by establishing
topics of discussion and staying on those.  One simple rule of usenet is
that if your posts are judged to be inappropriate by your peers, you will
get flamed for it.
	Only an idiot does not learn from such an experience.
--
Anthony J. Stuckey		stuckey@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
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