Re: now on cco.caltech.edu and on c.b.a2 later today or tomorrow...

[dmz@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel Zimmerman)]

irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt) writes:

>In article <1pm8j5INNm79@gap.caltech.edu> dmz@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel Zimmerman) writes:
>>
>>This may be controversial, but I have removed all three of these disk archives
>>from the cco.caltech.edu archive site. Here are my reasons:
>>
>>1. HD Install contains copyrighted code. It is not a set of patches for program
>>files, but rather a set of -patched- program files. I do not know if one could
>>run the programs without previously owning copies of them, but regardless, 
>>some of the code in the patched files is copyrighted and is thus not suitable
>>for distribution on the CCO archive site.

>None of the code given in HD Install includes any data files whatsoever.  Its
>no different than the patched Space Ace avalible on America Online for example.

Well, then, America Online is violating copyright law. Perhaps they can get
away with it - I can't. There were also pieces of Apple II System Software in
that particular archive. 

>>2. Bille Art contains some questionable pictures in locations without any kind
>>of warnings (ie: the Panic! button)... I will consider putting it on the site

>Its not really an FTP admin's job to be our moral guardian.  I really doubt
>that any ftp user's first exposure (pun intended) to nude women would be via
>Bille Art.  Are you also going to remove for example the FTA XMAS Demo because
>if you enter FAG at the main menu it displays a homoerotic animation?  I'll
>say it now: no, because the rest of the program is a great milestone in the
>IIgs.  I don't think your judgement of the quality of something is enough to
>warrant its removal; I consider a high percentage of the files on cco to be of
>'pathetic' quality.

I'm not attempting to be your "moral guardian", I am merely following  
Caltech's policies dealing with the content of the public access files       
on our computer systems. I have no choice in the matter... If I did, I would
have left the file up. As for the FTA demo, that is a totally different story,
because 1) to get the animation you have to be looking for it, and 2) it's just
a cartoon. 

>BTW, what was your hang-up with the GS<>IRC Demo disk?  It was deleted like
>3 times before it finally got moved to demos/ (thanks to Richard Wifall for his
>persistance :)

I had no problem whatsoever with the GS<>IRC demo disk.... The only archives
I have deleted, since I have been administrating, are archives which either 
don't unpack, violate copyright law, or violate Caltech's policies on public
access material. I must have had some problems unpacking the GS<>IRC demo disk
when it was originally uploaded... Obviously, you have taken this as a personal
affront - I assure you that I didn't mean to insult you... 

>>for hard drives, or write a program to do so, that's fine, and I'll let that
>>stay. But the Dungeon Master files, for instance, on the HD Install Disk 1 
>>were over five HUNDRED ProDOS Blocks long! That much program code is not  
>>necessary for deprotection/HD installation under any circumstances. 

>Maybe so, but it does make it much simpler for your average non-technologically
>oriented user to deprotect something if all they need to do is drag a new file
>in the Finder.  Detailed patch instructions are usually quite technical and
>require a great deal of skill.  As I mentioned above, none of the files on HD
>Install will allow you to have a working copy of a game.

Yes, it would be simpler... And if someone comes up with a simple way to do it
that does -not- involve uploading copyrighted program files, it could even be
legal. Perhaps a program to patch the original program files would be a good
idea? 

>-- 
>        Ian Schmidt - Two Meg Software: irsman@{iastate.edu | aol.com}
>"I will choose a path that's     | Author of AudioZap, MODZap, and more.
> clear: I will choose free will" | Co-author of SoundConvert and DeskTracker.
> - N. Peart, 1980                | Coder and Musician for the GS<>IRC.

As always, anyone with -any- comments, positive or negative, please send them
to me in e-mail - I'd really like to hear them...   
 
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