Re: Japanese Apple Collectors (was: Seeking information on the Apple II "j-plus" model)

["Bryan Villados" <news002@macgeek.org>]

When I said $1000+, I was referrring to the IIGS that was sold on eBay for
that amount, not the 25,000 yen, which was the price of a IIe on YJ. So I
should've written it as:

"If only 2000 j-plus's were sold, and seeing the population of Apple
collectors are increasing heavily, I can see why someone there would pay
25,000 yen for an Apple IIe system, or $1000+ for a IIGS system."

Sorry for the bad English... My writing sucks on newsgroups! :(

Back to my point, here are some current examples of what I'm mean by Apple
II's excellent resale value at YJ:

<http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2
Fpage.auctions.yahoo.co.jp%2Fjp%2Fauction%2F52031417>
System: Apple IIc Plus with 9-inch monitor and monitor's original box.
Current price: 20500 yen or $170.96 USD

<http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2
Fpage3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp%2Fjp%2Fauction%2Fc28396745>
System: Apple IIc with 9-inch monitor   Current price: 13500 yen or $112.58

<http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2
Fpage5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp%2Fjp%2Fauction%2Fe20217423>
System: Apple IIc with brick, and Flight Simulator   Current price: 10500
yen or $87.56


The reverse is also great. Japanese-marketed Apple equipment is dirt cheap
in Japan, compared to eBay. I just purchased my first Bandai Pippin ATMARK
for $112.00 USD today off of YJ. It's going to cost me $53.00 for the
shipping and $28 service fee (I use a deputy auction service based in
Japan), but it's still way cheaper than any U.S. or European source for the
same configuration. A Bandai Pippin ATMARK currently being sold on eBay
(base unit and floppy drive only) is already $200.00 USD, and it lacks
software and a game pad.

--- Bryan

"A.P.P.L.E. Webmaster" <webmaster@callapple.org> wrote in message
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> Actually a IIgs at 25,000 is about $200, not 1000.  The exchange rate
> floats at about 120 per $ on the market.  I have sold them as high as
> 30,000 yen here but that was with the works (drives, monitors, etc).
> The high end HDD and memory added models would fetch 40,000-50,000 yen
> (about 300-380$) and not really all that different from the US.
>
> "Bryan Villados" <news002@macgeek.org> wrote in message
news:<nYJP9.42020$B31.9378400@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> > Oh yes, I figured 40,000 yen is unrealistic. However, I'm amazed that
people
> > on YJ are bidding quite a bit of money on things that westerners take
for
> > granted: Disk II controllers, SSC's, etc. So definitely they're no an
> > indicator of any sort for calculating the value of an item. If only 2000
> > j-plus's were sold, and seeing the population of Apple collectors are
> > increasing heavily, I can see why someone there would pay 25,000 yen or
> > $1000+ for a IIGS system. Bottom line, Apple II stuff there is SCARCE!
> > That's pretty much the connection I'm going to flow with for my article.
> >
> > Hate to bring up the Macintosh Color Classic here, but even for the true
> > diehard Apple II fan, you gotta love the following article:
> >
> > http://www.macgeek.org/museum/images/colorclassic_article.jpg
> >
> > It's an article a buddy of mine snail-mailed to me from New York a
couple of
> > years ago talking about an organization based in Japan called the CCSCC,
or
> > "Club for Creating the Strongest Color Classic". They take the Macintosh
> > Color Classic and modify the crap out of it! You think today's Apple II
club
> > serves the far minority... You've got to take a look at this article.
The
> > CCSCC web site is:
> >
> > http://homepage2.nifty.com/Kan-chan/
> >
> > Too bad that enthusiasm hasn't ported over to the West. Now I know why
CC's
> > have been selling on eBay like crazy until recently. Until just a few
months
> > ago, the value of the CC was around $200. Now, it's down to around
$60-$90.
> > Going back to the Apple II and Japan subject... Call me a traitor and
all,
> > but when the dark, tragic day comes that I have to sell off my Bell &
Howell
> > Apple II set-up, I'm going to sell it on Yahoo Japan!
> >
> > Here's my proposed plan: I have a friend in Hawaii who flies to Japan
twice
> > a year to purchase hard-to-find Japanese products (music, anime, resin
> > garage kits, etc.) to sell on eBay for double+ the cost. I'd pay him
about
> > $100 plus the percentage of the overall sale of the collection. He would
> > take my B&H package with him on the airplane as luggage. Then when he
> > settles down in Japan, he would create the YJ ad, then post it on YJ
with a
> > very inexpensive shipping charge seeing both he and the buyer are Japan
> > residents. When you boil it all down, it's all about the money. And if
the
> > Japanese collectors there are putting up $$$$$ for Apple II systems,
let's
> > take advantage of it!
> >
> > BTW, the Bell & Howell system is NOT FOR SALE! :p
> >
> > --- Bryan
> >
> > "A.P.P.L.E. Webmaster" <webmaster@callapple.org> wrote in message
> > cd9ac5a8.0212290558.6ba3dd92@posting.google.com">news:cd9ac5a8.0212290558.6ba3dd92@posting.google.com...
> > > Bryan,
> > >
> > > You cant use that //e auction as a very good guide.  Normally a nice
> > > //e with everything will go for 25,000 yen but it must be nice.  That
> > > guy who is selling his for 40,000 wont get it.
> > >
> > > As for the J-Plus, only about 2000 of them or so ever sold as I have
> > > heard.  The pop up once in a while on Yahoo Japan but the last one I
> > > bid on started at 25,000 and ended at 68,000 yen.  A bit rich for this
> > > old boy.  Of course it had all the manuals to go with it.
> > >
> > > Izumi san has some information on his web site about it (known as
> > > SCKOP on Ebay).  You can check out the Japanese Apple II Web ring at
> > > http://www1.linkclub.or.jp/~sckop/A2Web/ for more information.