Re: ANN: Retiring from A2 world - Good Bye All!

[pausch@saaf.se (Paul Schlyter)]

In article <aec1oq$gun$1@nntp-m01.news.aol.com>,
Donald L. Johnson <70524.1023@Compuserve.com> wrote:
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>In article <3D098EA5.8060000@home.nl>, Ruud Dingemans <rtech@home.nl> wrote:
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>>Gary R. Utter wrote:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>Erm, no - the argument started with today's situation ("glad/bad that 
>>Turley's gone") and then several persons turned to the stone age past 
>>(again) to revive arguments that should've and could've been buried eons 
>>ago.
>>
>>
>>> no interest in getting involved in. The original discussion (go back to
>>> the beginning, willya?) was about the fact that Tom is unpopular 
>>
>>
>>Doesn't sound a lot like past past tense to *me*   ;)
>>
>>
>>> hated for real and specific reasons, and he chooses to say that those
>>> reasons are irrelevant because the Apple II is a dead platform.
>>
>>Well, he's right in the sense that it's not much use spewing or reviving 
>>these old grudges in an era where it doesn't matter anymore.
>>
>>We understand WHY it happened, but since the reasons for the grudge 
>>(pirating profitable AII software) are basically irrelevant *now*, it's 
>>not needed to go on grudgin' *now*. Just let it rest.
>>
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>(more snip)
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>
>>Regards, Rudy
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>
>That's easier said than done, Rudy.  
>Time may heal all wounds, but some take a whole lot longer than others to
>heal.  
>
>The question was why so many here are happy to see Turley go away, and hope
>this time it's really forever.  We've tried to answer that question, but
>neither you nor Paul seem to want to accept our answers.

Personally I was never involved in any such stuff with Turley.  Also,
even if someone behaved like a real asshole, I would after a while
merely ignore that person, but not give up any interests I might
share with that person, simply because I would think he's not worth
THAT much....

>Charles T. "Dr. Tom" Turley, by his piracy, and by his personal attacks,
>both online and off, did damage to many Apple II software developers and
>marketers, driving many away from both the Apple II marketplace and the AII
>community.  That pain and enmity still lingers, stronger in some than in
>others.  To you, it may be interesting history, old news from a time long
>past.  To those who were there, and harmed by him, it is as relevant and
>current as tomorrow's evening news.  
>
>Ask the IRA and the Ulster Nationalists to just let it go.  Ask the Israelis
>and the Palestinians why they can't just get along.  Or the Hutus and Tutsis
>in Rwanda, or the many ethnic groups in the former Yugoslavia.  It isn't
>rational, it doesn't matter how much the situation has changed over the
>years.  It's pure emotion.  They remember past grievances, and can't yet let
>them go unavenged. 
>
>Turley evokes a similar reaction in some of us here.  When he posted his
>'going away' message, I couldn't resist posting my doubts, and neither could
>others.  I can't help but wonder if that is just the reaction he wanted. 
>Someone made a comment to the extent that he may still be lurking, waiting
>to return in response to our skepticism about his departure.  If that is
>true, then our doubts are well-founded, that he never intended to leave - he
>was taunting us again, rubbing salt in the old wounds.
>
>And so the cycle continues.
>
>Donald
>Submariner, retired

I guess there's little hope for peace on Earth, if people like you can't
even get over similar feelings when they're only about some obsolete
8-bit computer which people cling to for nostalgic reasons.....

Fortunately, there are some counter-examples too.  Consider e.g.
France and Germany, who've fought many wars over many centuries
but who now are the most important members of the EU, and a future
war between those countries appears extremely unlikely.  Yes, a
number of people in those countries probably had to swallow a lot
of hard feelings for past injustices and outright crimes (as we all
know, neither Napoleon nor Hitler were particularly good guys...).
Nevertheless this is one example that past conflicts CAN be settled!!!!

So when you decide to continue having very bad feelings about Turley,
don't use Yogoslavia, Rwanda, or Israel/Palestina as an example. 
Instead use France and Germany as an example !!!  You should try to
settle for the good, not for the evil -- shouldn't you?





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