Re: ANN: Retiring from A2 world - Good Bye All!

["Gary R. Utter" <utter@syndicomm.com>]

In article <3d0783e1@news.svn.net>, Paul Grammens <grammens@svn.net>
wrote:

>  What really drove Apple II developers away was people like me.

That's your opinion, based on no facts whatsoever. What I said was not
opinion, it is fact. 

> Oh yeah, piracy was rampant in the PC world, yet PC developers thrived.  
> Got that? It was obsolete hardware, not piracy that led to the demise of 
> the Apple II.

Many things led to the demise of the Apple II. Note that by 1990 the
Apple II+ was obsolete hardware, but the Apple II was still around and
doing damned well. Apple could have continued to develop the Apple II,
it was not hardware that ultimately killed it, it was Apple Inc. But
the REASONS that they killed it were many, and ONE of those reasons was
the weakness of the software market, and ONE of the reasons for that
was not PIRACY in and of itself, but the presence and actions of
Turley.

I say again, you speak from ignorance.

> I think I have a good handle on the reality of  today. I think you're out of
> touch with the reality of today.

I think you are either being delibertely obtuse or you are a moron. We
are not talking about todays market, we are talking about the market of
10-12 years ago. History you have clearly stated you know nothing
about.

> I think those of you who are still acting like it's the mid '80's are 
> pretty much fools.

Nobody here is acting like it is the mid-'80s.

> It's 2002. Next year will be 10 yrs since Apple stopped making Apple II's. 
> It's a hobbiest platform, with no economic value.  It's still fun, and of
> historical interest, but there's very little money in it. Get over it.

Of course there is no money in it, but I'm not arguing against piracy,
I'm explaining why Turley is hated, and why there is a group of people
who rabidly oppose piracy for a hobbyist platform. It has nothing in
particular to do with the world today, and everything to do with the
world of a decade ago. It's a grudge match, a vendetta, that has very
real reasons behind it, even if you don't understand those reasons or
admit that they exist.