Re: TWGS EPROM v1.8 Archive Available

[Roy and/or Janet Miller <millers@inetnebr.com>]

bobryan9@my-deja.com wrote:

>  In
> short,
> > check out Delphi. A warm friendly place
>
> Now that is a load of crap!  I've been to delphi a few times, posted
> messages, etc.  Been to the chat rooms.  There are some nice people
> there, lots of developers, but it is a tight click.  I've had some
> really rude things said to me in chat (both on the main screen and in
> private messages) and I've received extremely rude emails in response
> to posts to Delphi.
>

I've been there much more than a few times in the little more than a year
that I've been registered there. And I've been to the chat rooms. There
isn't a tight clique. But there are a number of people who have known each
other for a long time. Every time I've entered I've been greeted by
everyone who wasn't away from the keyboard. I was there once when you
entered the chat room Bob. And you were greeted in exactly the same manner.
Rude comments? I was there when there were some short comments. They could
have been taken as rude, but having gotten used to the personalities there,
I know that there wasn't a deliberate attempt to be rude, just an acting
out of that personality.

>
> I've tried to get help from certain Delphi members (they are THE ONLY
> ones who can help in certain problems I am trying to solve, and they
> know it), and they say they want to help, but never do (IE rare
> software I would like).
>

But they have helped me. And they have helped others. Of course, what they
won't do is help you to download and install software that is copyrighted.
And that was part of the problem that one evening that we both were there.
I remember thinking that there might be a communication problem, which this
media has far too much of, but it did seem that you were asking help in
downloading and installing software that wasn't yet classified as freeware,
and Delphi is the wrong place to ask for help in doing that.


> Delphi is where people like Quantum_Cat hang out.  Go pop into a chat
> room some day and listen to all the delphians exchange homosexual jokes
> and call people names (guess who they make fun of).  I've been to
> Delphi a2 chat several times and I have witnessed this (I even cut the
> text from the chat window thinking I may post it here some day so you
> guys can see what Delphi is like)  Try to ask a question in Chat and
> you have to sort through all the crack-smoking-fag jokes to get your
> answer, if the other chat roomers bother to stop laughing at their
> stupid jokes long enough to answer you.

If QC is there, he hasn't announced who he is. I've never seen jokes about
homosexuals while I've been in the chat rooms, and I'm there several times
each week. There are, very rarely, comments about Mr. Turley, but his name
very rarely comes up. (Hope that doesn't disappoint you too much Tom)


> Yeah, go to delphi and get away from this, like everybody else does,
> and then have a good old time reading the same old crap, same old
> jokes, and an unfriendly click-y atmosphere.
>

It is unfriendly to pirates, Bob, no doubt about that. But if you bought a
program used somewhere, and needed help with it, you will get it. If you
need help downloading a freeware program and getting it setup, you will get
it. If you want to download a program that is still legally a commercial
product, or setting up some program that legally is still a commercial
program, you will get the cold shoulder, and that's for sure.


> I call "JOE KOHN" "mister", respectfully, and get jumped on.  There is
> a thread called "MR KOHN somethingrather" on Delhpi, and nothing has
> been said.  Somebody probably got a nasty email.
>

Joe doesn't like to be called Mr. Kohn. You know what? I called him Mr.
Kohn the night SAM was announced, and he was quick to come back with "my
name is Joe" I saw what happened to you, and it was the same thing that
happened to me. Don't forget the limits of this media. You can't see his
face, or hear his voice. I was taken aback, but said, "Sorry Joe" and asked
my question again, and he acted like nothing had happened and was very nice
thereafter. Charles "T" Turley doesn't like to be called "Chuck" did you
see his response to me calling him that? He made Joe's comments seem mild
in comparison.


> >I've never seen any fights there,
>
> Get real.

I am real. And I've never seen any fights there. Doesn't mean there haven't
been any, I've just never seen any, and I've been there a lot more than you
have.

>
> > but I have seen
> > alot of people promoting the Apple // and helping people who need
> help -
> > like me.
> >
> > Roy
>
> Yeah, good programmers and developers. That is the only reason to visit
> Delphi.  If you want to get the latest info on software like Spectrum,
> Nifty Spell, etc.  The programmer group is ok too although it is more
> dead than our programmer newsgroup.
>

It is true that there aren't a lot of posts in the programmer newsgroup.
But it is also true that there are posted times that certain programmers
will be online to answer questions, and they are very friendly and helpful
if you are there during those times. Otherwise you are alone there.

>
> Try to suggest one thing that is not a ritual in their religion, and
> they will chase you away.
>

I have no idea what you mean by that.

>
> The super GS thread on Delphi:  "Yeah, right.  It'll never happen"
> (posted by the delphians)
>
> Anything new, people thinking of making new hardware, etc.  "Yeah
> right, it'll never happen" ""
>

Perhaps its called experience Bob. People like to talk and dream. But it
takes big money to do some of the things suggested, and/or lot's of
volunteer engineers, and those things have been talked about before, and
haven't happened, time and again. After awhile, you conclude, "Yeah, right,
it'll never happen." People have talked about an ethernet card for years.
Apple evidently designed two, and never released them. Still no ethernet
card, and I know one guy who's been working on and off for over a year on
one. It's no fun getting cold water dumped on your enthusiasm. I don't like
it either. I'd love to see the cynics wrong. But to do that someone has to
do more than just talk. They have to work at it, knowing that they will
never get minimum wage return (if that) for their time and skill.

> Don't take my word for it, go and hang out on Delphi.  Quantum_Cat
> posts under his real name there,

Which is??

>

> and only tells his stupid jokes and
> calls names in chat, not in the forum where they'd be deleted .
>

Ah, but they would be deleted there Bob. They would be deleted. And I have
seen once an obnoxious person ejected from the chat room. Did you know
that?

Roy