Re: I appologize for confusing Apple with Mac

[ralphp@gcstation.net (Ralph Wade Phillips)]

Hi, Randy!

In article <51eer8$mn7@europa.frii.com>, shack@deimos.frii.com (Randy
Shackelford) wrote:

> In article <51cotg$k1i@news.vanderbilt.edu>,
> Tilghman Lesher <lesherjt@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
> 
> >If I call Microsoft with a Windows 3.1 problem, how much will you bet
> >against the idea that they'll not only help me, but give me serious
> >help.
> 
> Last time I pulled down the help menu in Program Manager and selected About,
> it said "consult your hardware manufacturer for Windows technical support".
> Brilliant way of getting out of supporting their product.

        Ayep.  Almost invariably, the first suggestion is "Try the newest
video driver from your video board manufacturer."  Or, "Try the printer
driver from the printer manufacturer".  Or somesuch fingerpointing.  Gawd,
how I hate Microsoft's Tech Support lines!  I get to pay for the privelege
of finding out that they know LESS than what's in the tech ref manuals
that Microsoft prints!

> 
> >If I call Apple with a Apple //gs problem, how much will you bet that
> >Apple WILL help me.  Let's even suppose this was in 1993?!!!
> 
> I've called SOS-APPL with Apple II questions and gotten answers

        So have several of my customers.  Also, Apple's ftp site STILL has
the tech notes from back in the heyday of the Apple //e and //gs.  Not
much on the old 386's out there anymore ...

> 
> >So not only did Apple make a stupid decision before, it doesn't learn
> >from its mistakes!  What's that quote about survival of the fittest?
> 
> Look, dude, how much capability do you want a new Powermac user to sacrifice
> for the benefit of a user of a 1986 vintage Mac? Apple is to be commended for
> having current software run on hardware that old for as long as it has
done so.
> Try running Win95 on a 1986 vintage PC.

        (snort)  Try running Windows NT 4.0 on a 386 ANYTHING, even one
purchased just a year or two ago, even if it has enough RAM.  No can do.

> 
> >At the time of the release of the Mac, the market was 5:1 in favor of Apple
> >2's.  If Apple had actually actively supported and PROMOTED the Apple 2,
> >instead of the Mac, I think Apple, Inc. would be MUCH better off today.
> 
> >Not to mention that Mac would've gone the way of the Apple ///.
> 
> Yeah boy, Apple would be in great shape if its top of the line boxes still
> used 6500 processors. It would have bitten the dust before this decade.

        Absolutely!  The 6500 is a BEAUTIFUL 8-bit processor.  The 65816
was a worth 8/16 bit replacement.  No arguement there at all.  HOWEVER -
The 6502 just won't hold up against a 386, nor the 65816 against a 386 or
486 class computer.  The memory bandwidth just ain't there.

        Admittedly, it was wonderful when the Apple // appeared to be like
a Checker Cab or Volkswagen.  However, all good things come to an end.

        Never, however, let the end of new Apple //'s be the end of our
enjoyment of our systems!

> 
> >: worth it.  I agree, Apple's decision to drop the Apple // line was
> >: premature.  But, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DROPPED SOONER OR LATER.  So with 68K
> >: support for the Macintosh family.  So it is, so it shall be.
> >
> >:         Or would you rather that they make software for your IIgs run on a
> >: 4K Apple ][ with Integer BASIC?  They dropped support for THAT LONG before
> >: the IIgs was dropped ...
> 
> Preach on Brother Beavis

        (cough)  The name be Ralph Phillips.  Where you get Beavis from?

> 
> >If we called Apple, Inc in '88 (to suppose a date before the //gs was
dropped),
> >I very much think they would've helped someone get a "4K Apple ][ w/ Int
> >BASIC" running again.  Compared to most any current PC, the Apple //'s were
> >VERY ROBUST machines.
> 
> Getting the same system software to run on a PCI powermac that can support
> 768 mb of memory and run on a Mac Plus which tops out at 4 mb is doing more
> what you've just said.

        Ayep.

> -- 
> Randy Shackelford                                 US Air Force officer
> shack@frii.com                                    and Apple aficionado

        RwP

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