Re: Help with Apple IIc+ and ProTerm on BBS

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shack@deimos.frii.com (Randy Shackelford) wrote:
in response to my reply:
>>shack@deimos.frii.com (Randy Shackelford) wrote:
>>>Tilghman Lesher wrote:
>>>>QuickPort II.  Yoshi.  Digital Exodus.  Faster port speeds.
>>>
>>>I used Proterm and tried the port at 57600 and at 38400. The modem
>>>wouldn't stay connected with the port speed higher than 19200. Granted, I
>>>didn't try very hard to figure out why, since I never planned to use the
>>>V.everything on the IIgs. It was only recently that I decided to pull the
>>>Linelink out of the closet and put in on the IIgs in place of the Courier
>>>2400e I had had on there. I can't imagine making use of 14400 on a IIgs
>>>anyway.
>>
>>Tip: Just because you don't use your IIgs to its full potential, it
>>     does not follow that everyone else has packed up and gone Mac.
>
>Looks like you edited my article a little. I said I can't imagine
>making use of >14400 (greater than 14400) and the quoted text up there says
>making use of 14400.

Oh, sorry.  I had to edit the article because it was running over
80 characters and mistook your greater than sign for a quoting
artifact.


>I don't recall any advocacy in my article up there. Just relating that
>I did try the port at higher speeds, which the person whom I followed
>up didn't seem to think. Here's a question for you: Suppose you have a
>box with TCP connectivity and can do FTP, WWW, telnet, etc, and a box
>that can only function as a VT100 terminal. You have a 33600 modem and
>a 14400 modem to use with them. Which gets the 33600 and which gets
>the 14400? I just tried the 33600 on the IIgs as an experiment and found
>that it didn't work worth a hoot. Kinda like when I tried to get my 230 mb
>magneto optical to work.

The modem is shared with a '486 and connected to a rotary box.
When I absolutely need Netscape, I switch it over to the PC
but where possible, I stick with the GS.  Text links are just
much faster and the PC is only running at 25MHz, which makes it
slow at terminal software and word processing compared to the
(13.75MHz) GS.


>>I suspect your problem is that you are running ProTERM by launching
>>from the Finder?  If you have any DA/extension installed that eats
>>up precious interrupt time, ProTERM will choke at higher speeds.  The
>>solution is to bypass GS/OS completely, booting up directly to
>>ProDOS 8 (by pressing the '8' key during boot-up).  Try it - the extra
>>speed of a higher speed connect is awesome.  It will make 14.4 seem
>>like 2400 (although you mainly notice it in file transfers).  Even
>>on a 14.4, you should have a port speed of at least 38400 to make
>>error correction and data compression work properly.
>
>14400 seems fast after using the 2400e. That's a USR modem that
>connects at 2400 but provides 9600 throughput with data compression,
>in case you haven't heard of it. I'm perfectly happy with 14400.

My point is that even though YOU don't want to use your IIgs to
its full potential and so don't bother finding out what's making
your particular GS unable to run at 38400, you should not make it
seem that the computer can't handle such speeds.  There are many
people who read this newsgroup who will take such a statement at
face value.  The GS can, in fact, use a 33600 modem.

You could probably get it to work on your system, had you figured
out the correct INIT string and booted into ProDOS 8 directly,
without all the memory resident baggage.  It certainly works on
other GS systems.


>>Randy, incidentally, this problem also crops up on Macintosh
>>computers.  Running a terminal program (White Knight or Zterm, I
>>forget which one...it was several years ago), the Mac would choke
>>on a high speed connection.  I could not figure out why, until I
>>removed a clock extension!  That one change made the difference
>>between successful high speed modeming and not.  You see, I
>>am NOT a Mac hater...I've used Macintosh, Amiga, PC, and IIgs
>>computers.  It is just that I'm not as big a Mac advocate as you. :)
>>Now the Apple IIgs is something that I will support till the end!
>>The IIgs was and still is my primary computer for wp and modeming
>>(although the little '486 sits quietly until Netscape is needed).
>
>I find using an FTP client much easier than the ftp/zmodem rigmarole,
>I kinda like having a graphical web browser, and having multiple logins
>at the same time using a telnet app is cool too. All running at the same
>time quite often, and playing an audio CD out the internal speaker to boot.
>But to each his own. I practically have no need for a modem on the IIgs
>since I can ftp files for it then localtalk 'em over. That's why the 2400e
>was on there for so long, but I decided it takes up too much desk space.

Now that SIS is out, this may all change.  Imagine Spectrum, running
under The Manager, with the SIS web browser.  Not only could you
play a CD if you want, you could also play a background synthLAB,
SoundSmith, or MOD file.

-Scott G.